It would be a surprise if he didn't sell his soul. I think he he resold his soul to Tory at elections though.
I watched some of his speech on tv today and he claimed that the "slate will be wiped cleaned" for future generations due to the govt today.
Yes, cuts are inevitable but it is how, when and scale that counts. Being a bull in the china shop is NOT the way but hey, obviously they know best- NOT for the ppl they are suppose to serve but their own political parties and cronies when things get a bit better with economy.
If his soul was part of the cost of getting the voting reform referendum next May, then I for one consider that a great bargain.
No, it may not be for PR, which some consider the ideal goal. But it is a huge step forward from what we have now, and, if it goes through, could be a stepping stone from which the Lib Dems and other minority parties could gain enough power to eventually institute PR.
People would have been saying the same thing now if he went into coalition with Labour. But the liberals were elected despite not having enough of a power base to form a government alone, precisely because they promiosed to work together with other parties for the 'greater good' of getting some of their policies through. Any sort of coalition is in effect a compromise, a trade off - 'you give me Blah and I'll support you with Bleh' - but Clegg seems to have taken it too far and signed up to the supporting before getting the promises. Only time will tell. But Sheffield will feel he has sold us out, and the Liberal Party will feel he's lost them credibility as an independant party. Both of these are also probably actually true. Also, the more I see him, the more he looks a slimey git and makes Cameron look almost human. Clegg's been great PR for the Tories. And of course, if PR does come about we would, on the basis of the voting at the last general election, get a Conservative government anyway.
I'm getting a bit wound up with all anybody who is laying into the LibDems for 'selling themselves out'. Frankly they are a very very junior party with minimal representation in the cabinet, yet the frothing masses seem to expect them to be the masters of the coalition, rather than the small voice of conscience they actually are. The Lib Dems don not have enough power or representation in the cabinet to push their policies forward without having to make compromises.
And anyone complaining about the massive cuts and the resurrection of Thatcherite rule is a bleeding idiot for failing to realise that this would have happened regardless of which party was in power... need I remind you that had Labour remained in power we'd still have Brown in the big chair.
The idea that there are cuts - fair enough. The idea that cuts are going to sting a bit. Fair enough. But when the IMF, who are normally all in favour of public sector cuts, turn round and say you're going a bit far, (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/23/imf-backs-cautious-approach-to-spending) that's a bit of a clue you're going too far. It's like having a BNP guy criticise you for being racist.
Also, the idea that a coalition involves compromise - fair enough. That's kind of the definition. But riddle me this: what have the Lib Dems actually got out of it, from their agenda?
Also, nice of you to go straight to the personal insults. I'm loving that.
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Date: 2010-09-20 06:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 06:48 pm (UTC)What did he get? A nice, well-paid and influential career in the political limelight.
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Date: 2010-09-20 07:02 pm (UTC)I watched some of his speech on tv today and he claimed that the "slate will be wiped cleaned" for future generations due to the govt today.
Yes, cuts are inevitable but it is how, when and scale that counts. Being a bull in the china shop is NOT the way but hey, obviously they know best- NOT for the ppl they are suppose to serve but their own political parties and cronies when things get a bit better with economy.
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Date: 2010-09-20 07:12 pm (UTC)No, it may not be for PR, which some consider the ideal goal. But it is a huge step forward from what we have now, and, if it goes through, could be a stepping stone from which the Lib Dems and other minority parties could gain enough power to eventually institute PR.
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Date: 2010-09-20 07:56 pm (UTC)Any sort of coalition is in effect a compromise, a trade off - 'you give me Blah and I'll support you with Bleh' - but Clegg seems to have taken it too far and signed up to the supporting before getting the promises. Only time will tell. But Sheffield will feel he has sold us out, and the Liberal Party will feel he's lost them credibility as an independant party. Both of these are also probably actually true.
Also, the more I see him, the more he looks a slimey git and makes Cameron look almost human. Clegg's been great PR for the Tories. And of course, if PR does come about we would, on the basis of the voting at the last general election, get a Conservative government anyway.
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Date: 2010-09-20 08:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 10:41 pm (UTC)Frankly they are a very very junior party with minimal representation in the cabinet, yet the frothing masses seem to expect them to be the masters of the coalition, rather than the small voice of conscience they actually are.
The Lib Dems don not have enough power or representation in the cabinet to push their policies forward without having to make compromises.
And anyone complaining about the massive cuts and the resurrection of Thatcherite rule is a bleeding idiot for failing to realise that this would have happened regardless of which party was in power... need I remind you that had Labour remained in power we'd still have Brown in the big chair.
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Date: 2010-09-20 11:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 12:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 12:43 am (UTC)Also, the idea that a coalition involves compromise - fair enough. That's kind of the definition. But riddle me this: what have the Lib Dems actually got out of it, from their agenda?
Also, nice of you to go straight to the personal insults. I'm loving that.